college life（自己把两个人的对话分下，就可以三个人了，以下都一样）Todd: Miki, you went to UC Berkeley, a very famous university in the U.S. What is your university like? Why is it famous?Miki: Why is it famous? Well, I suppose historically it"s kind of famous, recent history, because it was a center for the freedom of speech movement in the 1960"s and the civil rights movement, and it"s pretty much where multi-culturalism, feminist studies and those sorts of so called liberal political movements were born and they"re still quite strong today on campus and so students kind of get drawn to that, the political aspect of it I suppose, also the, it"s a research university and it attracts nobel laureates, very famous professors, at the top of their field, it"s also quite a beautiful campus, I love the campus, it"s not, it"s not, how do you say?Todd: It"s not like maybe a college town, or?Miki: Ah, no, it"s not really a college town, of course, because it"s right smack in the middle of a metropolitan area which is the Bay Area, and just right across the bay from San Francisco. The natural scenery is quite beautiful. There"s the ocean to the west. There are mountains to the east and just beautiful gorgeous sunsets going down into the Golden Gate. The natural scenery is just beautiful, and the architecture of the campus is quite beautiful too, and apparently during the war, World War II, a number of tests were done on campus in terms of integrating floral species with each other, and so you have firs next to cedar which is a strange combination. The idea was would they kill each other.Todd: Oh, Wow! That"s awful!Miki: Yeah, no, so there"s some scientific engineering going on on campus.Todd: But the trees survived?Miki: Yes, as a matter of fact.Todd: Well, that"s good. You can"t fool nature.Miki: No. no, but it is a beautiful campus, and I went there for four years as an undergrad. I lived in the dormitory for the first year and I lived in the co-ops from the second through the fourth year and the co-ops are kind of a housing community that"s owned by students, it"s run by students and is there for quite cheap so it attracts poor students who work, while they go to school at the same time, and that"s who I was. I worked at a restaurant, I worked at a sandwich shop, I worked at a toy store, I worked as a secretary to put myself through school and lived quite cheaply in these co-ops which incidentally also had marvelous parties and almost every weekend there was some party somewhere that one of these co-ops was putting on, and it was really wonderful.Todd: Wow! Sounds like a good time.Miki: Yeah!TRAVELINGTodd: So, Jeyong, you were telling me that you like to travel.Jeyong: Yes, very much.Todd: Now, this is interesting. Who do you normally travel with?Jeyong: You would be kind of surprised to hear this, but then, I normally travel with my dad.Todd: Wow. That"s so cool. Why is that?Jeyong: That will be first of all because my dad goes on a business trip very often and I ask him if I can follow him most of the time and he would say yes, and I would just have time with him on his business trip and traveling around.Todd: That"s really cool. What kind of business does your father do?Jeyong: He"s in apparel.Todd: Apparel.Jeyong: ExportTodd: Oh, really.Jeyong: Yes.Todd: So does he teach you the secrets about business?Jeyong: Not that much about business, but then traveling around he teaches me about differences between all the cultures of countries.Todd: That"s fantastic.Jeyong: How importat that is.Todd: So what countries have you been to with your father?Jeyong: A lot to name, actually. Do you want me to name all those?Todd: Well, how about which ones do you remember the most?Jeyong: I remember the most about Europe. I went to France, England, Switzerland and Roma so those four places were very interesting for me, and other than that, I went to Cambodia, Vietnam, Guam, and so on.Todd: What was Cambodia like?Jeyong: Cambodia is a really memorable trip for me with my dad because it was really interesting how many people in boats on the water. There"s a society in Cambodia like that and then it was really sad looking at them how they own much money and they have to spend their day using a dollar.Todd: So not very much, but did the people seem happy in Cambodia?Jeyong: They did look happy, happier than the people where I come from.Todd: That"s kind of interesting. Yeah, I used to live in Thailand and I kind of felt the same way to, although Thailand is very developed. Any other places that you"ve been to?Jeyong: Other places? Maybe in The States.Todd: Oh, really. Where did you live in the States? Or what did you do in the States?Jeyong: When I was in elementary school, I lived in Ann Arbor, Michigan, for five years but after that I also went travelling around the other states, such as San Francisco in California, Los Angeles and New York City, where I like the most and Florida. All the beaches.Todd: Now, I"m from San Francisco and you said you like New York better that San Francisco, so I have to ask why.Jeyong: Why? Because the people in New York, how they live their life, it looks cool.Todd: Yeah, New Yorkers are pretty cool. OK, well thanks Jeyong. Thanks a lot.Jeyong: No problem. Thank you.gender differenceTodd: So, Kadi, you are from Estonia. Can you talk about gender roles for the new generation compared to the older generation?Kadi: Yes, in Estonia, we have this kind of Western type of family, a woman doesn"t have to be a housewife. She can work. She can do whatever she likes. Even maybe the tendency right now is that women are becoming more masculine. Often it happens that women make more money than men do and they"re the ones who bring the bread in the house. Yeah, compared to Eastern society where usually women are considered as housewives, they just have to clean and cook and raise the kids, and in my country ... no ... there"s not such a thing and I think it always has been like that. I"m not quite sure but...Todd: Who does the chores like cooking and cleaning?Kadi: Yeah, I think we all do it. We don"t have that kind of rule that women only have to clean and cook. Of course in some families, it is like that because women are better cleaning especially, rather than men are, but yeah, men are quite good cooks.Todd: What do people do for childcare? Like who takes care of the children?Kadi: Nannies. Yeah. We have nannies for working mothers, they usually like hire people to watch over their children and just they play with them and also like kindergarten, like children start going to kindergarten in Estonia when they"re really, really young, maybe from three months I think even, yeah, you can go to work when your child is like half-a-year old. Just go to work. Take a child there, and people are going to care about her.Todd: Is the nanny expected to cook and clean as well?Kadi: It depends of on the contract. It depends on the contract. Yeah, if you hire a person who that you say you"re gonna pay him or her, usually her, like for cleaning, cooking, taking care of the children, whatever, it depends on the contract.dormitory lifeTodd: Miki, when you were in college where did you live?Miki: My first year I lived in the dormitory that was quite close to the campus. It was about a five minute walks so it was very convenient but I"m not sure that that many people actually enjoyed living in the dormitory because there were so many of us packed into such a small space that one did not get a sense of privacy at all. I shared a room with two other girls and 24 hours a day there was always someone near you, next door, down the hall if not in your own room, and a very small space. In Japan perhaps this wouldn"t have been such a large problem because the sense of personal space and privacy perhaps isn"t as strong growing up, but really in the United States if you grow up with you own room, it you grow up with your own sense of self and if, you know, you have personal space that you define just instinctively which, you know, maybe three feet in front of you, a meter, or if you have your own personal room itself, it"s very difficult to move from that sort of sense of individuality and personal private space, to move into the dorms, and to have to share, all of that, and then always have a smile on your face, if you don"t want to be considered a bitch.Todd: Yeah, so what about food? What did you eat for food? Did you have a kitchen? Did you cook?Miki: In the dormitories, no! We had a dining hall. I don"t quite remember what it was called, but it was a common area where everyone went downstairs at the same time. It was only open, three hours in the morning, 3 hours in the evening, and we all shared our time together, kind of like a family, I suppose, and we must have eaten just normal American food. I don"t remember.Todd: Yeah! Yeah! How about your laundry? How would you wash your clothes?Miki: That I forget! I think we had laundry machines every other floor in the dorm building. But I actually don"t remember. Sorry!Todd: And what would students do for fun? for socializing?Miki: Oh, I think the bigger question is whether students did anything besides socialize, you know, right, I mean, if you"re a freshman the chances of you actually doing work are actually quite small, especially in that sort of a social setting where,Todd: Even at Beckley?Miki: Oh, are you kidding me? Yes! Berkley is highly competitive but it"s also highly, it"s a highly social atmosphere, especially in the dorms, well, and then once you move into a communal area, if you"re there with your friend, then I don"t think a whole lot of studying goes on.Todd: Wow! That"s funny! Oh, thanks!Miki: Surely!
